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Topic History of: Any chance of "grown up" version?
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keith	Thanks all for the feedback. The balance between simplicity and features is always a difficult one. I'd love to see what any other people might think about the idea. Appreciating the feedback! Keith plasq
JClark	Ah, sorry, I got you mixed up with Keith when I responded. What you just said reminds me of some of 37 Signals' philosophy. Figure out what you want to happen, and how you want it to happen, and then figure out how to get there. Features without purpose (without a story, I think they would say) are a waste of effort because they're directionless. Or something like that. By the way, Plasq people, if you need someone to Beta test something like this...
KeynoteKen	No problem, JClark. For the record, I don't work for plasq, but I've been enjoying their products for some time. While there has been requests for a feature expanded Doozla before, yours seemed to be specific and realistically limited. I felt it'd be good to have that fleshed out in this discussion so that the plasq guys, like Keith, could get an feel for the changes you're proposing and figure out if it's something they can do. Yeah, programming is complicated, but having specific information about the desired feature and how it should work helps greatly towards making that feature happen!
JClark	Actually, that particular comic may not have been the best to post. It includes a bunch of effects that you'd need something like Photoshop to create (blurs, the rain effect, etc.). The line are, however, is something I'd like a program like this for. This is still the best example I can find: http://www.comic.idle-me.com/comics/041204.jpg I didn't realise how complicated a request this was going to turn out to be. AS I said, it all sounds so easy when I say it (I'll bet you deal with that a lot). I'm not sure how Flash handles the editing of bush vectors. there aren't any visible points, and you can stretch from any point you grab. those videos above show it better than I could explain. Different brush shapes would be nice, but I personally use round for just about everything. Gradients would be nice, they're great for coloring reflective objects (like the car in that first comic I linked to, which was done entirely in Flash starting with scanned artwork incidentally). I guess a full layer system wouldn't be required. Just a way to group and order objects so you could, for ecample, create a background then put characters over it, but still be able to move and manipulate each seperately. Give me Doozla with layers (or similar), gradients, a more powerful UI (access to a color picker, for example), and a way to import line art and export images at extremely high quality, and I'd be happy as could be. Easier said than done, obviously, but that would be great. As is it, I'm greatful that you've humored me this far.
KeynoteKen	I'm thinking that the ability to manually manipulate the edges of the vector objects would be enough You want to be able to manipulate the edges of Doozla created strokes AND potentially import line art that has been scanned and vectorized? Also, how much control over manipulating the edges would be sufficient? I noticed the brush vectors allowed points to be dragged, but didn't give any handles for the curvature. What about the option to change the brush shape, would that also be required (oval, square, slanted line, etc). Going back to the head of the thread, grouping is needed along with being able to apply gradients to the stroke shapes. Would a full layers interface be needed or would grouping and the ability to move shapes forward and backwards (and lock them there) suffice? And, being able to create output like this is the eventual goal.
keith	Thank you for all the details, JClark. Did you have any example of your previous artworks online? I'd love to see the kinds of things you'd hope to do with such a tool. Keith plasq

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